Also, I put BabyCompare in the spinner, and spun and spun and I got some great synonyms, but every spin says 31% unique, so I'm wondering if one single article can actually get to 60% uniqueness by spinning rather than rewriting? I'm not sure how percent of uniqueness is measured, but if it is measured by actual different information (as I suspect is needed) rather than the same info in different words, then there is no way to get to 60% just by spinning.
Kevin, don't know where I should put this so you'll see it soonest. I sent a request thru google for access for my other email address -- it's a pen name that most of my other work is under. I'd like to be able to access our work spaces here with that email address, if that's OK. I just wanted to give you a heads up so you'll know what the strange email request is.
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ReplyDeleteJust read a Squidoo lens about manual spinning, I think in the future - not with the #3 spin - we should spin every/nearly every sentence as a complete sentence.
I've asked this before but some of the spinners used only 2 choices in the {} should there be a uniform number of choices{} in any given article or can it have some 2 and some 3?
The #3 spin is just a case of making hte most of what is there I think, we can't do more than add spins where we can as they have already been spun so much. In the future we shuoldn't have to do more than one thorough spin, right?
Petal
No rules/guidelines/uniformity = confusion.
ReplyDeleteThanks Teal. Good job! Okay everyone, we must get this spinning thing down so we can stop "spinning" our wheels! LOL If we can, and also master "nested spinning" we will have it made. For rules/guidelines and uniformity it is important that we all use the same terminology. I won't do a glossary of terms here, yet. First I want everyone to read what I posted at the BCS (private site).
ReplyDeleteThere I'm posting an article that Carol wrote and Sally spun, that blew away the robot's percentages on the first try. Notice that the hand spinning Sally did, included whole sentences. No one from this point on should be hand spinning single words (synonyms) the robot can do this automatically.
Finally, nested spinning can be done with our robots too. It's a little complicated, but it's up to Teal and I to figure that out. We are the only ones who own one of these robots right now -called "The Best Spinner"
I think when everyone reads the post on BCS, they will understand, and we can discuss the details and ask/answer questions here. Please keep this thread "clean" and only about spinning. Thanks!
Sorry about the confusion. Long story about why, but we are really close to figuring it out, finishing this, and getting paid. Thanks!
Here is the link:
ReplyDeletehttps://sites.google.com/site/bangaricontentstudios/flat-spinning-correspondence-with-sample
You're right Petal. Spinning single words is a waste of time. The robot will do this pratically automatically. It has to be at least whole phrases, preferably sentences; meaning 2,3 or 4 sentence choices in the {parenthesis}
ReplyDeleteHi Petal, you are right... I did complete sentences and complete paragraphs and sent it to Kevin and it passed well above 60 percent. I'm fixing to add more to an article that didn't pass so that it will pass this time... I will use the same technique I used in the San Diego lawyer article.
ReplyDeleteI used 3 styles.. a little bit of the single word and phrase flat spinning, but the rest was sentence and paragraph.... I think the word spinning is indeed a waste of time. I think it will only bring percentages down.
@ Phill,
ReplyDeleteWe are getting there. We have been learning by trial and error, and we are now finding out what works. We had no one to really teach us.. Kevin has learned pretty much by himself, and when he gave me an idea, it worked out well... so things will begin to fall into place. We have to be able to also adapt when we need to so that we can follow.
I think this great, Sally and I work well together.
ReplyDeleteI will maybe try the spinning with Sally to look over it, but frankly I am a writer and that is what I love to do.
I would just need Sally to show me a simple short paragraph as an example, if it is too big it gets confusing but a short paragraph of let's say three sentences spun with the extra sentences is what I need I know how to spin synonyms. Don't get me wrong I rewrite articles all the time, I just need to see it done in the nested spin format.
If you have seen the Docs lately, you will notice I’ve been putting “36% 190” after the “About us” and the “Unique Article”
ReplyDeleteThis is the percentage uniqueness, and the “after spun” word count. Don’t worry, the writer gets paid on the “before spun” word count! This is usually almost 3X what the after spun word count is. However the after spun word count needs to be very close to 250 words for the “About Us” and 575 words for the “Unique Article.” “After spun” means the average word count of all the different versions of the article. The higher the percentage, the better. So, on Spin #3...
Teal: If you could continue what I was doing, putting the docs through the robot, measuring the percentage uniqueness and the after spun word count, and then noting it on the doc, that would be great. Label them in the title, respective to the percentages, Like: Free Samples 39% 100 75% 620...That will tell the writers which articles they need to go into, and how much more they need done.
Writers: The trouble is getting the content from “Billy’s July Project” done. This was that first batch of about 45 articles. I made this whole thing bottleneck, really badly, by writing all those first, and then spinning them all (not quite properly) before I figured out how it needed to be done. For that I am very sorry...
Quick tips: 1) Leave company contact info out of the content. I can’t stress enough, human being do not read this shit, it’s strictly for robots. Think of it as using your writing skill to do “word puzzles” 2) try to make articles less “promotional” -it makes it easier to come out unique when sentences and paragraphs are unique thoughts instead of having the words: customer, business, satisfaction, services, etc in each one. The articles can be about anything, as long as they contain keywords. 3) Make sure articles have titles...These can be for the humans, and can be “catchy” but should include keywords. 4) Make sure articles have keywords. 5) Sally and Carol’s example, to be improved on a touch, should have a sentence or two outside of the parenthesis, linking the hand spins together. 6) Get a feel for how many hand spun words should be added to get the after spun word count correct. 7) It doesn’t matter how many choices in the parenthesis. I was mistaken when I thought it had to be equal.
Interesting facts: 1) Many original articles can come from 2000 word count pieces of content, especially when we graduate from flat spinning and go to nested spinning. 2) “Nested spinning” will put us a cut above the competition. We could get a lot of work, I estimate at least $300 per month each, just in that. 3) if just one |pipe| or one {parenthisis} is out of place, the robot rejects it, and the robot master has to do a whole copy/paste, check, correct, copy/paste, check exercise that takes about three minutes each. 4) Some articles have had as many as 10 missing/misplaced...not bitchin’ just sayin” :-)
Sally: could you put the "production manager hat" on for a couple days? I have to go to a reunion, and may not be able to get online. A couple tasks: 1) Rename the docs w/ 32% 150 75% 575 after the title, on the ones I checked with the robot. Teal will do the same with the ones she checks. 2) When we get an article/about me that passes, copy/paste and email to Billy, then move the doc to a separate folder marked "submitted for payment"
ReplyDeleteCarol: It's fine if you just want to write. But you should do a few "built in spins" -with sentences. Be careful with the terminology, so we don't confuse each other. "nested spin format" is something entirely different. "Nested spinning format" is when the choices in parenthesis have within them choices in parenthesis. What we are doing is "flat spinning format" Also, it gets tricky when the past tense is used. A "spun" article is what the robot spits out (parenthesis and choices removed)from the "flat spun" article (w/ parenthesis and choices).
ReplyDeleteOh, my goodness! To say I'm a little confused would be an understatement. I get the flat spinning of words and/or phrases. Now we are being asked (I think) to do entire sentences as well as 'nested spinning.'
ReplyDeleteWouldn't it just be a whole lot easier to write three entirely different articles? I find that it sometimes takes me longer to spin than it does to write.
@ Martha,
ReplyDeleteNo need to be confused... You can spin entire sentences and paragraphs. You tend to write very long articles.. more than the 575 words.. you could take some of those sentences and paragraphs and {put them|in the|brackets and pipes}
You don't have to worry about nested spinning at this point... nested spinning is when we have parentheses with words and phrases within the sentences with parentheses. What we are doing is still flat spinning.
Hope that helps to explain it better.
I took one of Carol's articles that was fairly long and used some of her sentences and paragraphs to use in the flat spinning of sentences and paragraphs on her Mount Veronon article, and then on Carol's San Diego article I wrote related content (but not rehashing) (for originality) and put them in the lawyer article.. it passed the robot very well. This is still flat spinning even though we are doing it differently.
@ Carol - This is simple... you remember asking me what I was doing on your Mount Vernon article? I was using some of your sentences in the flat spin. You can do this too.. especially when your article word count goes above 575. If you write a 700 word article there are 125 words there that you can use in the flat spinning of sentences and paragraphs. The sentences don't have to say the same thing to be able to be used in the flat spins... the robot doesn't care. Remember these articles will not go on a website, so when you write extra words in your article, just use those extra sentences in your flat spins...
ReplyDeleteHope I conveyed what I mean well enough
Very well explained Sally. @ Martha: Your articles will be perfect for flat spinning. It will be a great way to lower the "after spun" word count. I agree, it would be easier to write three articles. I even bugged Billy to let us do that instead...But now that I see how the Robot spinner works, I see the logic in doing flat spins, and especially nested spins. It's amazing! The robot shuffles the words in the parenthesis around so that you get literally dozens of unique articles! When we use this method to promote our own content (for passive income) and writing services (to win more good clients and find more good writers)...We'll be making bank! $$$
ReplyDelete@ Teal: Where are you? We need you to help explain and teach about this TBS robot...as you learn it too. We also need you to check the Docs for originality and after-spun word count. Sally will work with you to start getting these across the finish line! Let's do the easy ones first. About me can be 40% but the original article needs to be better than 60%.
ReplyDelete@ Kevin.. I just sent one (Ebusinessfunding) to Teal to run through her spinner.. trying to get the article part to at least 60%. It's almost there at 54% I think.. so I added a few sentences while flat spinning them to the end.
ReplyDeleteI sent several more to Teal to run through the best spinner. I've done all that you have done Kevin... I will now begin to work on some that need more work.
ReplyDeletesally when the unique article has to be 575 words and 200 for the about us there is no way to do it less than 700 hundred words, my unique article is always as close to 575 words as possible.
ReplyDelete@ Carol...You really aren't understanding the gist of my comment. I was talking about spinning.. not whether or not you stay within the 575 word count. but the thing I am saying is that you can incorporate some extra spins in your work if you go above the 575. You don't have to cut off your thoughts because you have reached 575... you can go on and use those to spin your sentences with. The final count after the spin should be around 575, so you can write more if you have more to say and just use that to incorporate into spun sentences. That is what I was talking about. I was not accusing you of writing more than 575 words. I was merely answering your "I'm merely a writer" comment that you can do this if you go over. My apologies if I didn't put my thought down well enough to be understood.
ReplyDeleteI have mentioned to you before that you could do this...
I've got to get some work done... see you later.
We weren't spinning then, but think about those long articles we wrote for the ADD series.. some of them were over 1000 words long... think about how we could have used the extra content for spinning if we had to spin them then?
as I mentioned to you more than once, just changing words for synonyms does not do well for accuracy. I experimented with that when I did some work for Trish, what worked the best was the rewrite of an article.
ReplyDeleteI just saw your post about getting the work to Billy by Monday.
Some still do not seem to be passing the grade. My suggestion is that the with the ones still left to be done,
take out about 10 flat spun sentences and replace them with fresh whole sentences. Try not to use sentences that use the company name and if you do if the company name is abc company replace it with the word "we" "people in the business" "companies that" "industrial requirements" what ever works,
The same with keywords, try to avoid the sentences with keywords because they cannot be changed, they must remain in that order.
reflections about keywords
ReplyDeleteI was just thinking the keywords were important for the original article because a client requested it, but the spins are generic articles am I correct?
If so they may not have to have the keyword requirement
one of my articles had the keyword phrase,
increase my height,
for originality this
let say the sentence in which is appeared was how can I increase my height?
the fresh sentence could avoid the key word phrase but replace the idea with a sentence like
Is there a way that I can get taller?
this is a totally original sentence, it might even bring in more page views because it would also appeal to an adolescent audience.
another suggestion is that sometimes medical terms especially but other terms as well would be known as different things.
for example in the same article the keywords were cosmetic leg surgery,
that can also be written elective limb lengthening operation or procedures and we have a unique sentence.
Gastroesopheal acid reflux disorder, can also be written simply as acid reflux, or GERD
The original 45 articles getting #3 spin should we start trying to use the whole sentance method with them or just keep going in the way they have been spun already?
ReplyDeletethanks for answering Petal, as it stands these are only my suggestions, we need approval from Kevin on this
ReplyDeleteIt is true we have to find different ways to say things in our sentence spinning. You don't have to rehash the same stuff in the spin.. I'm not going to say what to do or don't do... I know what is working for me and that is by not rehashing the same stuff in my sentences. I may write related sentences but I'm not rehashing. I'm interested in testing the article I spun on mount vernon. As of yesterday that wasn't tested.. so I may do that in a few minutes.
ReplyDeleteIf you read the email explaining to Billy how we came about "bottle-necking" on the first 45 article order, it was because we spent a lot of time hand spinning single words and very short phrases with synonyms. Unfortunately, since buying some TBS robots, we have found out that this is a waste of time. The robot automatically spins single words and short phrases. We have to go with sentences, the way Carol and Sally did it with the San Diego Divorce Lawyer piece. It's tough to go back and correct the first 45, but this is how it needs to be done...adding sentences. Go to the Island Vistas doc, and the aupaws doc...see how I added spun content to the beginning of each article. Try it like that.
ReplyDelete@Carol: It doesn't matter if the keywords are in or out of the parenthesis. They end up in the finished "after spun" articles. Uniqueness, starting within the original, pre-hand-flat spinning article is something we have to figure out. Unless that San Diego lawyer article was just a fluke, I think you and sally nailed it.
ReplyDeleteContinue in that vein.
Articles can be what I call "back spun" which means after the original article is written, especially if the worg count is too high, the author can put some of the sentences in { | | } Does everyone understand how this lowers the "after spun" word count, without changing the overall word count? The only problem with this is that if a person other that the original author does this "editing" , they are not adding any words, so therefore are not getting any credit for word count. So I think the original authors of any articles in the pipeline, that have high word counts, should go in and do this "back spin" before we check them for uniqueness in TBS.
ReplyDeleteI just ran the Mount Vernon article through the best spinner and the About us is 100% original and the article is 77 percent... so this is the way to go from now on. I would suggest writing without rehashing.
ReplyDeletethis is great sally but as you know as a season writer sometimes there is just not enough info on the site quoted and even when you do a goggle search there is not much info out there. Of course add new stuff wherever possible my suggestion was for if you can't find a single then to say that is new fresh sentences is the next level down.
ReplyDeleteBut Kevin doesn't seem to want that if I understood him correctly.
@ Carol: Sally is onto it! See, the reason we can't do synonyms and short phrases, and need to do full and even 2-3 sentences per choice with 2,3, or 4 choices, is because this IS the "flat spin" and the easiest way to get uniqueness...Then, AFTER the "flat spin" (first level spin) we go in (with the robot that chooses them automatically with one point and click) and do a "nested spin" (second level spin)...This is when we add synonyms in the sentences that are in the parethesis, taking it UP a level, and creating a document worth almost $100 that, mathematically, almost countless original articles can be spun from at the touch of a freakin' button! Pretty cool huh?! I've got countless ideas for what we can do if we all can become TBS Robot Masters.
ReplyDeleteIt's sometimes difficult to get the nested spins to pass the robot, but I found out there is ALWAYS a reason why. I have to copy and paste it into my word processor and blow it up to about 22 points in order to see it well enough and then the mistakes are usually pretty obvious... there could be a | instead of a { .. or there could be a \ instead of a |... I have found a lot of \ in there instead of |. We have to be careful.. I know we are careful... but mistakes still happen. Once I find the mistakes or Petal finds them and notifies me.. I run them through the spinner and then I just need to point and click to get the percentage up if it isn't already high enough.
ReplyDeleteThis is so true. Well said. Also, we need to be careful with spaces outside of the { } because when they are eliminated, if there is no space, it runs the words inside the parenthesis with the words outside.
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